Ahnentafel 37P – Breaking Through a Brick Wall

This is the first in what may be a series of Ancestor Stories that have been made possible by DNA.

Background on Thomas NEWLON, Ahnentafel 36

This story starts on firm ground with my ancestor, Thomas NEWLON (my Ahnentafel 36). I have solid evidence of Thomas NEWLON. We have 3 matching Y-DNA kits from men who descend from him and his father which prove his NEWLON line, at least back to his father, James NEWLON. The Y-DNA Haplogroup is R1b1a2.

Per the Personal Property Tax Lists (PPTL) of Loudoun Co, VA, Thomas NEWLON is listed 1788-1802 (adjacent to his father James). If we assume that he was, say, 19 in 1788 (many fathers cheated a year or two on their son’s age to avoid paying taxes from the 16th birthday), his birth year would be 1769. This is a good “fit” as his parents, James NEWLIN and Catherine BENNETT were married 7 Apr 1768 in Chester, PA. The NEWLONs in this part of PA were Quakers. At a Warrington Monthly Meeting on 11 Jun 1768 James NEWLAND was disowned for marrying out. I don’t have any records for the next 20 years (until the 1788 Loudoun Co, VA PPTL). Many say some of Thomas’s siblings were born in Culpeper Co, VA, but I’ve not seen any such records. In any case, I have the records showing Thomas NEWLON was living in Loudoun Co, VA from 1788 to 1802.

Thomas NEWLON’s eldest child was Cecelia, who was born 3 Aug 1793 per her obituary. This means that Thomas married someone probably in 1792, and almost certainly in Loudoun Co, VA where he was living. Let’s say his wife was born in 1774, and married at age 18 – not uncommon for that time period. We have several pieces of later evidence that her family was also living in Loudoun Co, VA at that time and at least up until about 1810.

From his 1813 Will, Thomas NEWLON’s first four children were Cele [Cecelia] 1793, William 1795, John 1798 [my ancestor] and Sarah 1800 – the birth years from other evidence. In 1802 Thomas NEWLON is listed on the PPTL of both Loudoun Co, VA and Harrison Co, VA, so it’s safe to assume this family of six, moved to Harrison Co, VA in 1802.

Thomas NEWLON is in the Harrison Co, VA PPTL from 1802 to 1813. Thomas wrote his Will on 7 Jul 1813, and the 1814 PPTL listed: Thomas NEWLON (heirs). His will had specific instructions for his first four children, and named three more children and wife Sarah. All seems in order… Except for the Harrison Co, VA 20 Jul 1805 marriage record for Thomas NEWLON and Sarah POWELL. And it turns out Sarah was the widow Sarah POWELL – her maiden name was Sarah STROTHER (daughter of Reuben STROTHER and Susannah BARTLETT) and she had married 17 Apr 1787 in Loudoun Co, VA to Henry POWELL who died c1804. Sarah POWELL is in the Harrison Co 1804 PPTL and “Henry POWELL heirs” are listed in the 1805 PPTL. Sarah brought 5 to 7 POWELL children to the NEWLON household when they married in 1805. What a packed house…

Thomas NEWLON’s wife

But back to the story – who, then, was Thomas NEWLON’s first wife? She would be the mother of son John NEWLON, my ancestor, and therefore whoever she is, she’s also my Ancestor. John NEWLON is my Ahnentafel 18; Thomas NEWLON is my Ahnentafel 36; and his first wife is my Ahnentafel 37.

I have searched for any clues since the 1980s, and others had been looking long before then… nothing. One researcher claimed he had proof she was Martha JANNEY, but went to his grave refusing to show the evidence. [Many people with online Trees, show Martha JANNEY as Thomas’s first wife. I spent a day at the history library at WVU in Morgantown, WV (my alma mater), where some said the JANNEY proof had been preserved… nothing. I searched the JANNEYs in the Loudoun Co, VA courthouse and several libraries… and found nothing. Well, I did find that the JANNEY’s were Quakers and most lived in one area of Loudoun Co; and almost none had Slaves (Slavery was against their religion). The only clue I ever found was in the death record of her son, William NEWLON who died 21 Sep 1881 Simpson, Taylor Co, WV. It listed his parents as Thomas and Susan. Informant – son, C L NEWLON [Chapman L]. Susan! Well a small thread to hang onto.

I also note that Thomas’s first child with second wife Sarah was a girl, whom they named Susannah. And all but one of Thomas’ first four children named their first daughter Susannah. So, I’m convinced Thomas NEWLON’s first wife was named Susan, or Susannah.

So, Thomas NEWLON’s first wife was Susan…

During all these decades of research, most of us kept running into the same family story: A year or two after settling in Harrison Co in the western part of VA in 1802, Thomas NEWLON’s wife decided to return to her parents’ home in Loudoun Co, VA to get a Slave to help her “on the frontier”. She and son William (then maybe about 8 years old) rode horseback to Loudoun Co. While at her parents in Loudoun Co, she was poisoned and died (the Slave family did not want to be torn apart). What a tragedy that was! This story would explain the marriage of Thomas NEWLON, with 4 children, to Sarah STROTHER POWELL in 1805.

An 1878 Newspaper article in the Leesburg, VA Mirror contained a brief notice from “The Clipper” [in MO] of the death of Mrs. Cecelia McPHERSON, with occurred in Ralls Co: The deceased was … born in Loudoun Co, VA 3 Aug 1793, the oldest of a family of Wm [sic] NEWLON and her childhood was spent in the wilderness of the western portion of that state. In 1808 she returned to the place of her birth and was married there 1 Apr 1810 to Stephen McPHERSON, whose faithful consort she was until his death in 1847.

This article explains a lot. Cecilia’s birthdate; she was the eldest; she returned to Loudoun Co, VA in 1808 [when she was 15 years old – almost certainly to live with her grandparents – probably on Susan’s side, as Thomas’s parents, William and Catherine, were near the end of their lives. NB: Wm [sic] NEWLON is clearly wrong – wrong in the original MO newspaper, or wrong in the VA newpaper, or wrong in a subsequent transcription. Cecelia’s father was Thomas NEWLON.

My Ancestral Brick Wall: Susan LNU c1774-c1802

So we are looking for a Susan [Last Name Unknown]; born c1774; married c1792 in Loudoun Co, VA (age 18); had 4 children: 1793, 1795, 1798, 1800; moved from Loudoun to Harrison Co, VA c1802; died c1804 (age 30); and her family was in Loudoun Co, VA at least from 1792 to 1810 and had Slaves.

I was stuck on this Brick Wall until 2017, when I turned to autosomal DNA for more clues.

Triangulated Group [01S24]

I’ve been Triangulating shared segments since about 2011, and had already formed about 370 Triangulated Groups (TGs) which covered basically all of my DNA – all 45 chromosomes. Thomas NEWLON and Susan are my 3xGreat grandparents – at the 4th cousin (4C) level. So I looked at all the TGs with closer cousin-Matches with known Common Ancestors (CAs) pointing to my NEWLON ancestry. Several of these TGs already had more distant cousins on the NEWLON side, so I set those aside. I finally decided to start with a large TG that I called [01S24].

TG [10S24] already had four Matches who were 4C from Thomas NEWLON. The TG included over 100 Matches, and none had been found to go back up the NEWLON ancestry. In addition, there were over 25 Matches from AncestryDNA who had uploaded to GEDmatch or tested at another company and I knew their Ancestry name. I had the AncestryDNA Helper installed in my Chrome browser, so I was able to visit each of these Matches and, in the lower left of their page, I could download all of their Ancestors to a spreadsheet. I did this, and then combined all the spreadsheets into one and sorted on the Ancestors.

I descend from a CUMMIN/GS

The clear Surname “winner” was CUMMINS/CUMMINGS – 9 of my AncestryDNA Matches had CUMMIN/GS ancestry. Bingo! This was a new surname for me. I then searched my FamilyTreeDNA Matches for this surname. In [01S24] 6 of them had CUMMING/S. At MyHeritage, I have 12 Matches who Triangulate in [01S24] and have CUMMIN/GS ancestry. I messaged my 23andMe Matches in [01S24] and 4 of them reported CUMMIN/GS ancestry. Yes, some of the Matches had tested at multiple companies, but some at each company were new – additional evidence that, somehow, CUMMIN/GS was in my Ancestry, and on TG [01S24].

Next was the process of creating a CUMMIN/GS Tree. A number of my Matches had already traced their line back to Alexander CUMMINS b 1677 Northumberland Co, VA, d 1738 Prince William Co, VA; m 1694 Northumberland Co, VA Sarah MUTTONE/MUTTONE b 1677 Northumberland Co, VA, d about 1738 too. Several of their children died in Fauquier Co, VA. Two things soon became clear: 1) many of their descendants went to Fauquier Co, VA, and some went to adjacent Loudoun Co, VA; and 2) there is a lot of conflicting data about this family (particularly with people who can trace back to Fauquier and Loudoun and then accept other peoples Trees who say those CUMMIN/GS were from Scotland or MD). The records are few and, it appears to me, a lot of guesswork had taken place. But the DNA tells me most, if not all, of the CUMMIN/GS in Loudoun and Fauquier Co are related to each other – at least on segment [01S24]. Within [10S24] most of the Matches shared a DNA segment with most of the others. And I think, as I share this story with all of the Matches in TG [01S24], and they confirm that they match each other (and possibly others), they will come to the same conclusion that they probably, somehow, descend from Alexander CUMMINS and Sarah MUTTONE. The weight of the evidence was that my Ancestor Susan was a CUMMINGS. Other, far less likely, alternatives are discussed below.

My Ancestor, Ahnentafel 37, was Susan CUMMINGS c1774-c1802 (hypothesis)

Next, I focused on the CUMMINGS in Loudoun Co, VA. In this effort, Pat Duncan was a big help. She has transcribed many of the Louduon Co, VA early records and published a series of indexed books. She graciously emailed me the early Tax Lists for CUMMIN/GS, and pointed out there was only one man who had Slaves in the time period I was looking at: John CUMMINGS.


There were two John CUMMINGS in the Tax Lists – one had stud horses and race horses and Slaves, and the other did not. In working through all the records I came up with a John CUMMINGS in the Loudoun Co, VA Personal Property Tax Lists from 1787 to about 1811, almost always with horses and Slaves. On 25 Mar 1811 John CUMMINGS and wife Jane of Loudoun sold land. On 12 Apr 1813 there are two records in Loudoun Co, VA:

  1. John CUMMINGS married Margaret EMERSON
  2. John CUMMINGS of Culpeper Co, VA to Margaret EMMISON of Loudoun – a marriage contract for Margaret to receive a child’s portion in lieu of dower for sake of John’s children by former wife.

Searching back through the records we find John CUMINGS married Jane JOPSON 23 Jun 1780 in Newtown, Bucks Co, PA. There are other Bucks Co, PA records from 1781 to 1785 with John CUMMINGS, including the 1785 Will of Richard JOPSON which mentions daughter Jane CUMMINGS.

John CUMMINGS b 1746 VA; d 1826 Culpeper Co, VA

Other records for John CUMMINGS, to trace his life, have been hard to find. Most researchers, including LDS FamilySearch record 29QJ-C42, have John CUMMING born 1746 Ireland; died 10 Oct 1826 Culpeper Co, VA. And John CUMMINGS is in the 1820 Culpeper Co, VA Census (born before 1775, wife born before 1775, 7 Slaves). Given the many DNA Matches to the CUMMIN/GS in Loudoun and Fauquier Co, VA, I’m pretty sure this John CUMMINGS was born in VA, not in Ireland. However, I have not found a record, yet, that indicates a birth year of 1746. So to summarize so far:

Susan CUMMINGS born c1774; married c1792 in Loudoun Co, VA (age 18); had 4 children: 1793, 1795, 1798, 1800; moved from Loudoun to Harrison Co, VA c1802; died c1804 (age 30); and her family was in Loudoun Co, VA at least from 1792 to 1810 and had Slaves.

John CUMMINGS b 1746 VA; d 10 Oct 1826 Culpeper Co, VA; m 23 Jun 1780 Bucks Co, PA Jane JOPSON (b 1753); moved to Loudoun Co, VA about 1787, where Jane died in 1811; John m 12 Apr 1813 Loudoun Co, VA Margaret EMERSON, and they then lived in Culpeper Co, VA.

But who was Susan’s mother?

Susan was born about 6 years before John CUMMINGS married 1780 Jane JOPSON. And if John CUMMINGS was really born in 1746, he would have been 34 years old in 1780. That’s not usual for this time and place. I believe John CUMMINGS had an earlier wife – someone he married before 1774 and who probably died c1778 – who was the mother of Susan. I still don’t have a clue as to who that first wife might be, but I’m still getting Matches who are cousins on the CUMMINGs line. I’m pretty sure John CUMMINGS did have an early wife and that Susan CUMMINGS was his daughter. That’s my hypothesis.

My Ancestor, Ahnentafel 74, was John CUMMINGS b 1746 VA; d 1826 Culpeper Co, VA

I’ve now built a tentative Tree connecting John CUMMINGS back to Alexander CUMMINS and Sarah MATTONE. And I’ve connected most of the 17 Matches in [01S24] into this Tree. Based on the Triangulated Group, I’m convinced that all of them tie back to Alexander and Sarah somehow. And I’m sure that other Matches in [01S24] will be found to have this ancestry, too. I’m also sure, based on the number of overall Matches, and the fact that they the tie to the CUMMINS lines at different generations (from 5th to 8th cousins) that the DNA came down this CUMMIN/GS line to segment [01S24]. In [01S24] the DNA does not go back on any of the wives’ lines, it goes all the way back to Alexander CUMMINS. The fact that this DNA comes down the all-male line for 3 generations is why I’m seeing so many Matches with CUMMIN/GS ancestry in this segment. Other TG segments that go back to Thomas NEWLON and Susan CUMMINGS may well go further back through Susan’s mother. Then I can repeat this process all over and search for the surname and Ancestor for that Brick Wall. As the old genealogy saying goes: you solve one Ancestor and it generates two more to solve.

NEXT: Search for Ahnentafel 75 – Susan’s mother.

I hope this story shows the integration of Y-DNA and atDNA tools with traditional genealogy researching tools. This story could not be told without a good mix of both.


  1. Does Susan have to be a CUMMINGS? No, her mother could be a CUMMINGS and her father could be some other surname… However, almost all of my Matches in [01S24] share 20 to 46cM with me. That’s a lot for a 5th cousin, much less a more distant one. So I’m pretty sure Susan is a CUMMINGS.
  2. I estimate that about 24 of my 371 TGs will be Ancestral to Thomas NEWLON and Susan CUMMINGS – say 12 TGs for the NEWLON side and 12 TGs for the CUMMINGS side. 6 of them will go back on John CUMMINGS’ side (including [01S24]); and 6 of them will go back through the first wife of John CUMMINGS. Those are the 6 I need to identify and start working on. NB: Each of the other 15 3xGreat grandparent couples will also have about 24 TGs. Of course, DNA is random, so our actual experience may vary a little.


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36 thoughts on “Ahnentafel 37P – Breaking Through a Brick Wall

  1. Jim Simpson,
    I am a direct descendent of John Cummings (see my earlier post for details) and am interested in your theory that James and John could be brothers. One of the things that caught my attention was that you said James’s daughter was born in Pennsylvania. John Cummings was married to Jane Jobson in Pennsylvania. I always wondered when and why he moved to Loudoun County Virginia. I have my DNA matches on Ancestry as well as a Tree under Carol Goldstom, that you are welcome to take a look at. My DNA does not show any Irish, but English and Scottish. An old typed family tree stated that the father of Robert Cummings (John) came from Ireland. Perhaps he sailed from Ireland or maybe it was just incorrect.
    I might be visiting the D.C. area and think it would be interesting to visit the area where the Cummings Family lived. If you have other information, I am interested.
    Thanks! Carol


    • Carol – Hi, Cousin (on newly found branch of my Tree).
      I have many Common Ancestors to the CUMMINGS – I just searched my DNA Matches page and they came up – many of them went back to various branches and twigs in Virginia, but I’ve now been able to link a bunch of them together in one Tree. I have a Loudoun Co, VA friend who sent me an extract of the Personal Property Tax List (started in 1782) and some earlier Tithes. John CUMMINS, and others were in them. I’ve always wondered why a VA man would go to PA – haha. I think it was his interest in horses. Several of the tax lists noted he had stud horses. I think he went to PA to train his horses – he was into racing them. I’m aware of Jane JOBSON, and her father. Their marriage was well after the time my Ancestor, Susan, would have been born. And the marriage to Jane JOBSON was in his 30s, very unusual for such a late first marriage. Jane died, and John married a third time in Loudoun Co, VA with a pre-nuptial to take care of children by previous marriage. And the story goes that Susan went back (from Harrison Co, VA in c1803) to visit her family in Loudoun Co – so they were there at that time. John eventually moved his family to Culpeper Co, VA where he died.
      I think the theories of several CUMMINGS lines being immigrants from Ireland was a cop out to avoid digging for records. I have too many of their descendants as Matches for them to be from Ireland – I’ve found records that indicate they go back to Northumberland Co, VA in the late 1600s.
      Please alert me, if you come to the DC area – I’ve been here since 1974…. Jim


    • Carol – sorry about my previous post – I got confused.
      In my outline of the CUMMINGS family, I have John (nee Jonathan) 2m 1780 PA to Jane JOPSON as a brother of a James CUMMINGS b c1754. This James was in 1771 Ththes paid for by Malachi CUMMINGS – probably his father and also the father of my John – so they would be brother. I note there is a James CUMMINS in Loudoun PPTL in 1782, 84, 85, 93, and 95 – I lost track of him after that.



  2. I am descended from a James Cummings who relocated from Loudoun Co. VA to Mason Co. KY in the 1780s. He was in Mason Co. with whom I think was his brother Anthony Cummings. James was married to Mary Bodine, I think, in Loudoun Co. VA in 1792. He was born ca 1750. Mary was probably his second wife. His probable brother, Anthony, was born ca
    1747. No evidence; but I have read that one of my James Cummings’ daughters,
    Margaret, was born in Beaver Co PA. It seems probable, or at least possible, that your John Cummings is a brother to the James and Anthony Cummings that I am trying to trace. I’d appreciate your thoughts.”


    • Jim, Thanks for your post – there is a lot of different versions of the VA CUMMINGS, and the DNA is helping to sort them out. Just thrugh atDNA Matches I’ve brought almost 100 together in on Tree – albeit a shaky Tree. I have an 84pp Doc with one big Tree outlined and many fragments left to tie in. I studied all of the Loudoun Co, VA Tax lists. I have several twigs with James CUMMINGs b about 1750… One is James CUMMINGS in 1771 Loudoun Co, VA Tithes under Malachi; also in 1772, 75 and 79 Tithe listt and 1782-95 Loudoun Personal Property Tax Lists – and all of this close to a Jonahtan or John CUMMINGS (also with Malachi in 1771 – which John looks like mine. There is an Anthony CUMMINGS in 1779 Loudoun Co, VA Tithes and in 1782. I’ll email you some info… Jim


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  5. Oh my! This is so exciting!! I am the fourth great granddaughter of the John Cummings line you refer to that lived in Culpeper, Virginia. I have been researching on Ancestry for a while and just recently rejoined. I have details including a handwritten family tree that was passed on to me by my grandmother in the 1980’s but I believe it was recorded in the 1950’s. My line is from John Cummings and Jane Jobson, to their son Robert Cummings (who moved to Ohio around time John died), to Robert Cummings and Sarah Evan’s son, Townsend and wife, Hannah Jane West (who moved to Jasper County, Iowa), to Albert Cummings and wife, Agnes (Nancy) Frazier to their son, Frank Cummings and wife,Helen Carr to Charles (Gayle) Cummings, to me. I would love to more know more! I live in the Midwest but would love to know what you find out. The handwritten family tree states that Robert’s father ( John, not mentioned by name, came from Ireland with a brother. I have found no proof or specifics. I am trying to find out when he arrived and if he was Irish, Scottish our English. The oral family history said that they were Scotch-Irish and records indicate they were not Catholic. Please feel free to email me. Will look forward to hearing more.


    • Carol – This IS exciting! I am gathering clues from many sources. John CUMMINGS is interesting – when he married Jane JOBSON/JOPSON in 1780 he would have been in his 30s at least – very unusual. I’m convinced he had a prior wife who died, leaving him with two or three children). When he and Jane moved to Loudoun Co, VA he had stud and race horses, and slaves (from the Tax Lists) – the only CUMMINGS in Loudoun Co, VA to have slaves. He had some strange business dealings (sort of like a reverse mortgage). He “fit in” with other CUMMINGS in Loudoun Co, VA (who had interconnected paper trails – and whose descendants matched me on atDNA) – so I don’t believe the “Ireland” story (often a cop out to end real research). I’m anxious to hear what your family story is. One tact I want to pursue is Y-DNA (to see if the several lines in VA are from one line or several) Please send me an email to: jim4bartlettsATverisonDOTnet Jim


  6. Amazing research, with both the records and the DNA. It would seem I’m doing the right things to solve my brick wall – parents of 2nd great-grandfather my William A. W. Dempsey of Fayette County, WV. I guess I need to just keep adding the trees and hope more matches will upload to sites with chromosome browsers.


    • Cathy, thanks for the encouraging feedback. After your like, I was reading your footnoting blogpost, when a tone sounded that you had posted here. I’ll be reading more of your posts – thanks. I’m actually getting ready to drive to Culpeper Co, VA this morning to look over the Will and long probate string of records for my new John CUMMINGS Ancestor. It appears most of them went to OH… I’m also starting to recruit some CUMMIN/GS men to take a Y-DNA test to prove (or disprove) all of these Northern VA lines have one progenitor. I now have 22 different Matches with CUMMIN/GS Ancestry, so far, in the one [01S24] Triangulated Group = essentially the same DNA segment which has to come from one ancestral line. The interesting thing is there are many other Matches in this TG who should have this Ancestry but haven’t found it yet – that’s going to be the real story: “TG Predicts Ancestry”. Stand by… Jim

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      • Looking forward to reading about what you find in Culpeper County.

        I have a promising segment on Chr. 6 but as long as the close cousins don’t respond and/or upload to one of the sites with a chromosome browser, I cannot be certain I’m on the right track.

        I plan on writing a “please help me” post as soon as the present project is finished.


      • Cathy – bummer. The entire Culpeper Co, VA Will book K is “missing”. I found bits and pieces in the Deeds, but WB-K was supposed to have a list of the children. But I did just find out that maybe some of my atDNA Matches who Triangulate in [01S24] have done Y-DNA – maybe the R1a group. If I can show several of the atDNA lines have the same CUMMINGS Y-DNA, I think I can extrapolate that all the lines should have the same Y-DNA… Jim

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  7. Wow! I started reading this article to get strategies and hope for a brick wall that I’ve almost broken through, but your story got even better for me because I’m descended from your Alexander Cummins! I’ll have to share this with my family.


    • Thank you, Paul, for your encouraging feedback. In cases like this we have to use all the tools we have. Monday, I’ll make the 3 hour round-trip drive to Culpeper Co, VA Courthouse to review the probate records of John CUMMINGS’ Will. There is still a lot to learn about this new line for me. Jim


    • Thanks, Patti – it was fun writing it up – made me think through each step. I’ve got a few more to do – my memory is fading and it’s important to preserve the process, the logic and the result. Jim


  8. Jim, you’re exactly where I am with the Womack line. I know who they are and that I’m somehow related through James Moore or his wife, but I don’t know how. Exhilarating and frustrating at the same time. Good job and I’m so glad you are publishing this technique.


    • Thanks, Roberta. There is a lot of pressure to get things precisely right – no wiggle room. But my 45 years of real genealogy research experience gives me some “feel” for things like this. I’ve about run dry on records in VA, but the atDNA is flashing like a neon sign at night. In TGs with a lot more known and in my Tree about the Ancestors, I never get this many Matches all agreeing on the same Ancestral line. There’s not a hint of another line – so I’m pretty confident. Still, I’m going to pulse all the Matches in this TG – to read this story and give some feedback. This is also a TG story, so it’s the same Common Ancestor for all my Matches, too. Their input could well be a codicil to this story.

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      • I hope so. My problem is that of James Moore and his wife, only one parent is known. So I’m kind of floundering. And it could be another generation back too, although I don’t think so because Abraham Womack sells land to James Moore not long after they all arrive in Amelia County in the 1740s. Unfortunately I’m too many generations back for tools like ThruLines. I use DNAGedcom’s ancestor tree gathering tool. Works at all of the companies. Or you can request a surname. It has been very useful.


      • Thanks for the tips. I have a DGC subscription and use it regularly. After I’ve contacted each of my ThruLines Matches (and encouraged them to upload to GEDmatch) I want to try to Walk the Clusters Back. Our segment map and link to Ancestors is fixed (at conception) – there is only one solution for each of us. With all the current tools, I feel it getting closer.

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