Mind The Gap

This is about working with relatively distant Ancestors with a big generation gap back to their birth year. I’m talking about what I call my 567 Ancestors – 5XGreat grandparent; 6C level; 7 generations back. We each have 128 of these Ancestors. Because they are at the 6C level, they are fair game for ThruLines. But because of my age (83), most of my cousins are 6C1R or 6C2R or 6C3R – all “out of range” for ThruLines. The generation gap is too large for them…

Current case in point – my newly found 567 Ancestor: Ahnentafel 196 > James BROWN who wrote a Will in 1776 in Cumberland Co, VA naming 16 children. For some reason this Will was not well known until recently, and many folks had already found other “likely” Ancestors to build out their Tree . This makes it all the harder to find the correct links and “pry” those lines away from the wrong Ancestors. We estimate James was born c1720 – roughly 300 years ago – and, sure enough, almost all my Matches back to James are “removed” from 6C and out of reach for ThruLines. Living Matches are usually 8, 9 or 10 generations down from James.

In this case the “hack” of linking my DNA to my mother, or her father, does not work – it shortens my path, but does not shorten the path for my Matches.  Personally searching for my Ancestor; building back Trees for shared Matches; etc.; is labor intensive. AND I cannot “see” into Private (searchable) Trees like ThruLines can. And ThruLines has the patience to “build back” Match Trees and find the links – and quickly, too.

Subtitle for this blogpost – Make ThruLines Work for You.  

So, shorten the path for your 6C2R Matches. I created 3 dummy Ancestors to connect from my mother to a known *grandchild of James* (which grandchild would be 567 (ie 6C level) for my 6C2R Matches (even closer for my 6C1R and 6C Matches).  I disconnected my mother from her father and instead typed in Grand Father and used my grandfather’s birth year. Then for his father, I typed in Great Grandfather with realistic birth year. Then for the next generation, I typed in 2Great Grandfather and a birth year and then linked him as a child the grandson of James. Note: ThruLInes looks at “boxes” and “links”, not names.
This made it look like the *grandson of James* was my 3xG grandparent (4C level). Now, I and my 6C2R Matches were within the range of ThruLines. Wait about 4 hours and ThruLines gave me 58 Matches!! Like most of my ThruLines they turned out to be 90-95% correct. In 4 hours! Talk about drinking through a fire hose…

Once I had the Match names and paths, I could easily add them to my Common Ancestor Spreadsheet. Then call up each Match and do some “housekeeping” 1. do genealogy diligence checking; 2. Use ProTools to find other close shared Matches ThruLines didn’t pick up; 3. Check for close Matches with UnLinked Trees which ThruLines ignores (some are good, some not) – my current cutoff in a shared Match list is about 90cM to the Match.

My request is that if you use this method, please give the dummy Ancestors names that won’t mislead others looking at your Tree. Maybe for names use GP, GGP, GGGP as first names and DONOTCOPY as last names. And, of course, as soon as you’ve recorded the info you want, restore the true Ancestor link on your side; and remove the link at the top end. This will leave these three “dummy” Ancestors as a floater, which can then be easily used elsewhere between your parent and the child or grandchild of a Match. This could also be used for your 678 Ancestors (7C level)…

If you try this, please feel free to report back here in the comments. Improvements in method or description are desired. Or a reinforcing: “it works”….

[22DO] Segment-ology: Mind The Gap; by Jim Bartlett 20260820

8 thoughts on “Mind The Gap

  1. Jim – what are you doing with AI now for your ancestry research?

    We love your notes. I’d personally love to solve the Y connection between us.

    Tim Matthews

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    • Tim – I use FamilySearch AI – and that’s about all. I’m focused on verifying cousins from each of my Ancestors, right now; soon to do Walk The Clusters Back again.

      So you are my Big-Y Cousin! I’m from Thomas BARTLETT c1705-1783 Richmond Co, VA – his Will names 5 sons – we’ve traced four of them to four very differnt directions and with at least 2 males from each direction all with matching E-V13 DNA – so we “know” Thomas c1705 must have had that Y-DNA. I’ve been in the Richmond courthouse several times (and now search with FS AI) and conclude that Thomas c1705 was probably the immigrant. Jim

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  2. Genius! Just a couple clarifications. Does this presume you have James and his known children (and grandchildren?) in your tree? Is that who you are connecting GGP DONOTCOPY to? And I suppose it doesn’t matter which child or grandchild?

    My 93 yo father has tested and I find the same problem with all the “removeds”.

    thanks,

    Pat

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    • Thanks, Pat. Yes, we just recently found his will naming 16 children – what starting point. The BROWN Y-DNA project was a big help – they had Y-DNA descendants back to several of the sons and had either stopped there or “found” some other line to work back on. It was very clear that we were part of BROWN Group 40. So some of the grandchildren were easily known. Other took some digging. We have most of the children of the male. The females are harder. When we get all the cousin Matches we can find for the known lines, we’ll then have to work down the shared match lists even farther to find cousins on the female lines. Once we get a “toe hold” into a female line, then this TL-method can be used there too. Deep Clusters may work too. Jim

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  3. Ciao jim.se ho una corrispondenza dna tra 8cM e 15,1cM ma abbiamo altre 17 corrispondenze condivise può essere endogamia o colasso ancestrale? Anche se i miei genitori non sono imparentati diciamo può essere endogamia o altro ancestrale su una mia line diciamo paterna ancestrale?

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  4. Ciao. Ma corrispondenze condivise tra 13,7-23,3cM con due e tre segmenti che mhyeritage segnala come cugini tra quanto e quinto grado che generazioni possono essere senza endogamia ho colasso?

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    • hojo – haha. Thanks for the the clever feedback. I’d use a different fruit, because I wouldn’t liken ThruLines to a lemon – I think it’s a fantastic tool – saves me a lot of digging; still providing a “firehose” of stuff to work on every day. Jim

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